Comparative Tables on Revised (New) OROP provided by O/o PCDA (P) to JS (ESW)
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F No. 237/RTI/2014/D (P/P) – Part III
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Copy of presentation submitted by PCDA (P) Allhabad during the meeting held on 24.4.19 in the chamber of JS (ESW) by Sh A K Malviya, SAO.
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Slide 1
New OROP
In 7th CPC
If base year is 2018
Slide 2
Hqrs Office requested MoD, the following clarifications for doing preparatory works for next OROP:
(a) Whether same methodology for calculating the OROP rate viz. Average of min & max pension
(b) What is base year from which data of current retirees is to be used.
(c) The date of effect of next round of OROP.
(d) The report of OMJC is pending with MoD, whether any recommendation is to be factored into new calculations.
Slide 3
After OROP, 7th CPC has recommended two formulations without factoring impact of OROP orders
I – multiplying by index factor of 2.57 & revision has been done by PDAs.
II – Notional pay fixation method through PPO.
Slide 4
HQrs office has brought following points to Ministry
I – The notional pay fixation formula brings all past pensioners to current rates, almost as if they are serving under 7th CPC
This is also the formula used in various Court judgments seeking to equate past pensioners with current retirees. For example, Hon’ble Supreme Court judgment in SPS Vains Vs UoI (2008) and in DS Nakara case.
As such it is matter of consideration as to whether any logic exists to initiate the process of OROP once pension of past and current pensioners has been equated w.e.f. 1.1.2016.
Slide 5
II – The notional pay based revision of defence pensioners has commenced. The final pension of past pensioners (as on 1.1.2016) is not available until this is completed. Therefore, data for comparing past pensioners and current pensioner is incomplete to that extent.
III – The application of multiplying factor to OROP pension has created an anomaly whereby past pensioners are drawing higher pension than those who have retired between 1.7.2014 to 31.12.2015 and post 1.1.2016 retirees.
If this anomaly turns out to be widespread, the logic of revising pension of past retirees to bring them to the level of current pensioners would not subsist.
Slide 6
|
Category
|
Period
|
No. of Data obtained from EDP
|
No. of data analysed
|
No. of cases where OROP is beneficial
|
|
ICOs
|
Post OROP 1.7.2014 to 31.12.2015
|
1246
|
1246
|
375
|
|
Post 7th CPC 1.1.2016 to March 2019
|
3296
|
3296
|
435
|
|
|
JCOs/ORs
|
Post OROP 1.7.2014 to 31.12.2015
|
57356
|
53276
|
27085
|
|
Post 7th CPC 1.1.2016 to March 2019
|
186381
|
180765
|
48647
|
Margin observation in pen: what about those who got OROP?
Slide 7
Contents illegible
Slide 8
|
JCOs/ORs
|
||||
|
Rank, Group & QS Comparison in proposed OROP based on live data
|
Hav “Y”
QS = 24
|
Nb Sub “Y”
QS= 26
|
Sub “Y”
QS =28
|
Sub Maj “X”
QS = 30
|
|
Pension in New OROP based Live data of year 2018
|
21207
|
24250
|
30825
|
35425
|
|
OROP Rate x 2.57 as on 1.1.2016
|
20067
|
26741
|
31529
|
36340
|
Slide 9
However the data of ICOs shows reverse pattern as under
|
ICOs
|
|||||
|
Ranks & QS
Comparison in Proposed OROP based on live data
|
May
QS=24
|
Lt Col
QS=26
|
Colonel
QS=28
|
Brigadier
QS=30
|
Maj Gen
QS=35
|
|
Pension in New OROP based on live data of year 2018
|
53000
|
94100
|
100900
|
105850
|
109100
|
|
OROP Rate x 2.57 as on 1.1.2016
|
61208
|
84330
|
90542
|
95797
|
99621
|
Slide 10
Comparative Statement of ICOs retired after OROP but getting pension less than OROP Rate
|
Period
|
Retired in Post OROP (1.7.2014 to 31.12.2015)
|
||
|
Rank
|
Total No of Pensioners
|
No. of pensioners getting less than OROP rate
|
%
|
|
Major
|
4
|
3
|
75.00%
|
|
Lt Col
|
255
|
197
|
77.25%
|
|
Col (TS)
|
505
|
62
|
12.28%
|
|
Colonel
|
266
|
32
|
12.03%
|
|
Brigadier
|
99
|
3
|
3.03%
|
|
Major General
|
92
|
76
|
82.61%
|
|
Lt Gen
|
2
|
2
|
100%
|
|
Lt Gen (HAG+)
|
23
|
0
|
0.00%
|
|
Total
|
1246
|
375
|
|
Slide 11
Comparative Statement of PBOR retired after OROP but getting pension less than OROP rate
|
Period
|
Retired in Post OROP (1.7.2014 to 31.12.2015)
|
||
|
Rank
|
Total No. of pensioners
|
No. of pensioners getting less than OROP rate
|
%
|
|
Sep
|
291
|
122
|
41.92
|
|
Naik
|
3099
|
308
|
9.94
|
|
Hav
|
25839
|
3557
|
13.77
|
|
Naib Sub
|
12910
|
12307
|
95.33
|
|
Sub
|
9986
|
9843
|
98.57
|
|
Sub Major
|
1151
|
948
|
82.36
|
|
Total
|
53276
|
27085
|
|
Slide 12
Comparative Statement of PBOR retired after OROP but getting pension less than OROP rate
|
Period
|
Retired in Post OROP (1.1.2016 to March 2019)
|
||
|
Rank
|
Total No. of pensioners
|
No. of pensioners getting less than OROP rate
|
%
|
|
Sep
|
3510
|
70
|
1.99
|
|
Naik
|
18383
|
107
|
0.58
|
|
Hav
|
102714
|
308
|
0.30
|
|
Naib Sub
|
29596
|
23425
|
79.15
|
|
Sub
|
23319
|
22555
|
96.72
|
|
Sub Major
|
3243
|
2182
|
67.28
|
|
Total
|
180765
|
48647
|
|
Slide 13
|
Sepoy Group ‘Y’
|
|||||
|
QS
|
OROP rate
|
OROP x 2.57
|
Average of min & max (Yr 2018
|
OROP beneficial over 7th CPC
|
Beneficial amount
|
|
15
|
6665
|
17130
|
18275
|
|
|
|
16
|
6665
|
17130
|
15173
|
OROP beneficial
|
1957
|
|
17
|
6665
|
17130
|
15557
|
OROP beneficial
|
1573
|
|
18
|
6698
|
17214
|
18207
|
|
|
|
19
|
6783
|
17433
|
18378
|
|
|
|
20
|
6875
|
17669
|
19060
|
|
|
|
21
|
6875
|
17669
|
15613
|
OROP beneficial
|
2056
|
|
22
|
6875
|
17669
|
18150
|
|
|
Slide 14
|
Naik Group ‘Y’
|
|||||
|
QS
|
OROP rate
|
OROP x 2.57
|
Average of min & max (Yr 2018
|
OROP beneficial over 7th CPC
|
Beneficial amount
|
|
17
|
7170
|
18427
|
19832
|
|
|
|
18
|
7170
|
18427
|
20307
|
|
|
|
19
|
7170
|
18427
|
20269
|
|
|
|
20
|
7170
|
18427
|
20582
|
|
|
|
21
|
7170
|
18427
|
20213
|
|
|
|
22
|
7170
|
18427
|
19107
|
|
|
|
23.5
|
7170
|
18427
|
20157
|
|
|
|
24
|
7170
|
18427
|
20438
|
|
|
Slide 15
|
Havildar Group ‘Y’
|
|||||
|
QS
|
OROP rate
|
OROP x 2.57
|
Average of min & max (Yr 2018
|
OROP beneficial over 7th CPC
|
Beneficial amount
|
|
17
|
7598
|
19527
|
20907
|
|
|
|
18
|
7598
|
19527
|
21101
|
|
|
|
19
|
7693
|
19772
|
21407
|
|
|
|
20
|
7795
|
20034
|
21207
|
|
|
|
22
|
7795
|
20034
|
21950
|
|
|
|
24
|
7808
|
20067
|
21207
|
|
|
|
25
|
7808
|
20067
|
20463
|
|
|
|
26
|
7995
|
20548
|
20850
|
|
|
|
26.5
|
7995
|
20548
|
20325
|
OROP beneficial
|
223
|
|
35
|
|
|
22225
|
|
|
|
36
|
|
|
22500
|
|
|
|
37
|
|
|
22800
|
|
|
|
38
|
|
|
22200
|
|
|
Slide 16
|
Nb Subedar Group ‘Y’
|
|||||
|
QS
|
OROP rate
|
OROP x 2.57
|
Average of min & max (Yr 2018
|
OROP beneficial over 7th CPC
|
Beneficial amount
|
|
22
|
9005
|
23143
|
24125
|
|
|
|
22.5
|
9338
|
23999
|
24125
|
|
|
|
23
|
9338
|
23999
|
24125
|
|
|
|
23.5
|
9338
|
23999
|
24475
|
|
|
|
24
|
9429
|
24233
|
24175
|
OROP beneficial
|
58
|
|
24.5
|
9652
|
24806
|
23550
|
OROP beneficial
|
1256
|
|
25
|
9733
|
25014
|
23550
|
OROP beneficial
|
1464
|
|
25.5
|
9946
|
25562
|
23550
|
OROP beneficial
|
2012
|
|
26
|
10405
|
26741
|
24250
|
OROP beneficial
|
2491
|
|
26.5
|
10415
|
26767
|
24175
|
OROP beneficial
|
2592
|
|
27
|
10415
|
26767
|
23825
|
OROP beneficial
|
2942
|
|
27.5.
|
10577
|
27183
|
25375
|
OROP beneficial
|
1808
|
|
28
|
10742
|
27607
|
18050
|
OROP beneficial
|
9557
|
Slide 17
|
Subedar Group ‘Y’
|
|||||
|
QS
|
OROP rate
|
OROP x 2.57
|
Average of min & max (Yr 2018
|
OROP beneficial over 7th CPC
|
Beneficial amount
|
|
17
|
7598
|
19527
|
20907
|
|
|
|
18
|
7598
|
19527
|
21101
|
|
|
|
19
|
7693
|
19772
|
21407
|
|
|
|
20
|
7795
|
20034
|
21207
|
|
|
|
22
|
7795
|
20034
|
21950
|
|
|
|
24
|
7808
|
20067
|
21207
|
|
|
|
25
|
7808
|
20067
|
20463
|
|
|
|
26
|
7995
|
20548
|
20850
|
|
|
|
26.5
|
7995
|
20548
|
20325
|
OROP beneficial
|
223
|
|
35
|
|
|
22225
|
|
|
|
36
|
|
|
22500
|
|
|
|
37
|
|
|
22800
|
|
|
|
38
|
|
|
22200
|
|
|
Slide 18
|
Subedar Major Group ‘Y’
|
|||||
|
QS
|
OROP rate
|
OROP x 2.57
|
Average of min & max (Yr 2018
|
OROP beneficial over 7th CPC
|
Beneficial amount
|
|
24
|
12565
|
32293
|
33100
|
|
|
|
25
|
12565
|
32293
|
30700
|
OROP beneficial
|
1593
|
|
26
|
12565
|
32293
|
30700
|
OROP beneficial
|
1593
|
|
27
|
12565
|
32293
|
32500
|
|
|
|
28
|
12757
|
32786
|
31725
|
OROP beneficial
|
1061
|
|
29
|
13045
|
33526
|
30400
|
OROP beneficial
|
3126
|
|
30
|
13045
|
33526
|
33625
|
|
|
|
31
|
13045
|
33526
|
31725
|
OROP beneficial
|
1801
|
|
32
|
13045
|
33526
|
32225
|
OROP beneficial
|
1301
|
|
33
|
13045
|
33526
|
33250
|
OROP beneficial
|
276
|
|
36
|
|
|
31900
|
|
|
Slide 19
|
Major
|
|||||
|
QS
|
Count
|
OROP rate
|
OROP x 2.57
|
Average of min & max (Yr 2018
|
Whether OROP beneficial
|
|
16
|
1
|
21530
|
55333
|
47950
|
7383
|
|
21
|
1
|
22830
|
58674
|
47950
|
10724
|
|
21.5
|
1
|
22830
|
58674
|
68550
|
Not beneficial
|
|
22.5
|
1
|
23815
|
61205
|
47950
|
13225
|
|
24.5
|
1
|
23815
|
61205
|
53000
|
8205
|
Slide 20
|
Lt Col
|
|||||
|
QS
|
Count
|
OROP rate
|
OROP x 2.57
|
Average of min & max (Yr 2018
|
Whether OROP beneficial
|
|
20
|
2
|
31305
|
80454
|
80100
|
354
|
|
21
|
13
|
31713
|
81503
|
83575
|
Not beneficial
|
|
22
|
11
|
32428
|
83340
|
82300
|
1040
|
|
23
|
7
|
32428
|
83340
|
86825
|
Not beneficial
|
|
24
|
10
|
32428
|
83340
|
89300
|
Not beneficial
|
|
34
|
11
|
34765
|
89347
|
81800
|
7547
|
Slide 21
|
Colonel
|
|||||
|
QS
|
Count
|
OROP rate
|
OROP x 2.57
|
Average of min & max (Yr 2018
|
Whether OROP beneficial
|
|
28
|
6
|
35230
|
90452
|
100900
|
Not beneficial
|
|
29
|
9
|
35235
|
90554
|
10900
|
Not beneficial
|
|
30
|
11
|
36130
|
92855
|
102350
|
Not beneficial
|
|
31
|
10
|
36130
|
92855
|
103700
|
Not beneficial
|
|
32
|
26
|
36130
|
92855
|
103700
|
Not beneficial
|
|
33
|
16
|
36130
|
92855
|
95000
|
Not benefical
|
Slide 22
|
Brigadier
|
|||||
|
QS
|
Count
|
OROP rate
|
OROP x 2.57
|
Average of min & max (Yr 2018
|
Whether OROP beneficial
|
|
32
|
3
|
37280
|
95810
|
105850
|
Not beneficial
|
|
33
|
8
|
37570
|
96555
|
108800
|
Not beneficial
|
|
33.5
|
9
|
37570
|
96555
|
107350
|
Not beneficial
|
|
34
|
16
|
37570
|
96555
|
107350
|
Not beneficial
|
|
34.5
|
17
|
37570
|
96555
|
108800
|
Not beneficial
|
|
35
|
15
|
37570
|
96555
|
107350
|
Not benefical
|
Slide 23
|
Colonel (TS)
|
|||||
|
QS
|
Count
|
OROP rate
|
OROP x 2.57
|
Average of min & max (Yr 2018
|
Whether OROP beneficial
|
|
28.5
|
12
|
35230
|
90542
|
100900
|
Not beneficial
|
|
29
|
19
|
35235
|
90554
|
100900
|
Not beneficial
|
|
30
|
33
|
36130
|
92855
|
100900
|
Not beneficial
|
|
30.5
|
45
|
36130
|
92855
|
100900
|
Not beneficial
|
|
31
|
38
|
36130
|
92855
|
102250
|
Not beneficial
|
|
32
|
45
|
36130
|
92855
|
103700
|
Not beneficial
|
|
33
|
39
|
36130
|
92855
|
103700
|
Not beneficial
|
Slide 24
|
Maj Gen
|
|||||
|
QS
|
Count
|
OROP rate
|
OROP x 2.57
|
Average of min & max (Yr 2018
|
Whether OROP beneficial
|
|
36
|
6
|
38763
|
99621
|
109100
|
Not beneficial
|
|
36.5
|
13
|
38763
|
99621
|
107500
|
Not beneficial
|
|
37
|
17
|
38763
|
99621
|
109100
|
Not beneficial
|
|
37.5
|
10
|
38763
|
99621
|
107500
|
Not beneficial
|
|
38
|
3
|
38763
|
99621
|
109100
|
Not beneficial
|
Slide 25
|
Lt Gen
|
|||||
|
QS
|
Count
|
OROP rate
|
OROP x 2.57
|
Average of min & max (Yr 2018
|
Whether OROP beneficial
|
|
39
|
1
|
39500
|
101515
|
112050
|
Not beneficial
|
|
Army Cdr
|
|||||
|
38.5
|
2
|
40000
|
102800
|
112500
|
Not beneficial
|
|
VCOAS
|
|||||
|
39
|
1
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40000
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102800
|
112500
|
Not beneficial
|
|
Lt Gen (HAG+)
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|||||
|
37.5
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3
|
40000
|
102800
|
112200
|
Not beneficial
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Slide 26
Effect of Modification dated 18 Aug 2010 on 7th CPC
|
Rank & Group
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Hav “Y”
QS=24
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Nb Sub “Y”
QS=26
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Sub “Y”
QS=28
|
Sub Maj “Y”
QS=30
|
|
5th CPC
|
|
|
|
|
|
Pay Scale
|
3600-100-5100
|
5620-140-8140
|
6600-170-9320
|
7250-200-10050
|
|
Class Allow
|
50+50+50
|
|
|
|
|
Last Pat drawn
|
4400
|
6180
|
7280
|
8250
|
|
Pay for pension (Max of py scale)
|
5100
|
8140
|
9320
|
10050
|
|
Pension= Max of pay scale + 50% of highest class allowance/2 x QS + weightage /33
|
||||
|
QS
|
24
|
26
|
28
|
30
|
|
Pension calculation
|
5100+75/2 x 24=5/33
|
8140/2 x 26+5/33
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9320/2 x 28+5/33
|
10050/2 x 30+5/33
|
|
Pension
|
2274
|
3824
|
4660
|
5025
|
Slide 27
|
6th CPC
|
Hav “Y”
QS=24
|
Nb Sub “Y”
QS=26
|
Sub “Y”
QS=28
|
Sub Maj
“X” QS=30
|
|
Pay Band
|
PB-1 (5200-20200
|
PB-II (9300-34800
|
PB-II 9300-34800
|
PB-11 9300-34800
|
|
Grade Pay
|
2800
|
4200
|
4600
|
4800
|
|
MSP
|
2000
|
2000
|
2000
|
2000
|
|
Group “X” Pay
|
–
|
–
|
–
|
1400
|
|
Classification Allow (100+100+100)
|
100
|
|
|
|
|
Pay in Pay Band
|
8190
|
11970
|
14100
|
16590
|
|
Last Pay drawn (total)
|
13090
|
18170
|
20700
|
24790
|
|
Pension = Last pay +MSP+GP+Gp X Pay + actual classification x 50%
|
||||
|
Pension formulation as per 6th CPC
|
6545
|
9085
|
10350
|
12395
|
|
Pension as per MoD dt 18.8.2010 = Notional max across the three services in fitment table for 6th CPC corresponding to the maximum of 5th CPC pay scale for rank & group last held
|
||||
|
Emoluments for pension across the three services as per Mod 18.8.2010
|
15210
|
21350
|
23940
|
27180
|
|
Pension (formulation as per MoD dt 18.8.2010)
|
7375
|
10029
|
11970
|
13590
|
|
Pension beneficial between two formulations
|
7375
|
10029
|
11970
|
13590
|
|
OROP rate as on 1.7.2014
|
7808
|
10405
|
12268
|
14140
|
|
OROP Rate x 2.57 as on 1.1.2016
|
20067
|
25741
|
31529
|
36340
|
Slide 28
|
7th CPC
|
Hav “Y”
QS=24
|
Nb Sub “Y”
QS=26
|
Sub “Y”
QS=28
|
Sub Maj
“X” QS=30
|
|
Pay Level in Pay Matrix
|
L-05
|
L-06
|
L-07
|
L-08
|
|
Pay in Pay Matrix
|
37000
|
43600
|
50500
|
60400
|
|
MSP
|
5200
|
5200
|
5200
|
5200
|
|
Classification allowance (225+225+225)
|
450
|
|
|
|
|
Group “X” Pay
|
–
|
–
|
–
|
|
|
Last pay drawn (total)
|
42650
|
48800
|
55700
|
65600
|
|
Pension as per 7th CPC provisions
|
21325
|
24400
|
27850
|
32800
|
|
If methodology for calculation of Pension proposed in the same line of MoD dt 18.8.2010 = Notional max across the three services in pay matrix of 7th CPC corresponding to fitment table for 6th CPC which was earlier corresponding to maximum of 5th CPC pay scale for rank & group last held
|
||||
|
Emoluments for pension across the three services processed in the same line of MoD dt 18.8.2010
|
34900
|
50500
|
56900
|
62200
|
|
MSP
|
5200
|
5200
|
5200
|
5200
|
|
Classification allowance (225+225+225)
|
450
|
|
|
|
|
Group “X” Pay
|
|
|
|
3600
|
|
Notional emolument for pension max across three services
|
40550
|
55700
|
62100
|
71000
|
|
Pension as per proposed formulation
|
19661
|
26163
|
31050
|
35500
|
|
Pension beneficial between the two formulations
|
21325
|
26163
|
31050
|
35500
|
|
OROP rate x 2.57 as on 1.1.2016
|
20067
|
26741
|
31520
|
36340
|
Slide 29
|
Rank, Group & QS
Comparison in various proposals
|
Hav “Y”
QS=24
|
Nb Sub “Y”
QS=26
|
Sub “Y”
QS=28
|
Sub Maj
“X” QS=30
|
|
OROP Rate x 2.57 as on 1.1.2016
|
20067
|
26741
|
31529
|
36340
|
|
Pension as per 7th CPC provisions
|
21325
|
24400
|
27850
|
32800
|
|
Pension as proposed on MoD order dated 18 Aug 2010
|
19661
|
26163
|
31050
|
35500
|
|
Pension in New OROP based on live data of year 2018
|
21207
|
24250
|
30825
|
35425
|
Slide 30
|
Rank & QS
Comparison in various proposals
|
Major
QS=24
|
Lt Col
QS=26
|
Colonel
QS=28
|
Brigadier
QS=30
|
Maj Gen
QS=35
|
|
OROP Rate x 2.57 as on 1.1.2016
|
61205
|
84430
|
90542
|
95797
|
99621
|
|
Pension as per 7th CPC provisions
|
53000
|
94100
|
103650
|
107300
|
109100
|
|
Pension in New OROP based on live data of year 2018
|
53000
|
94100
|
100900
|
105850
|
109100
|
Slide 31
THANKS
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Source: https://sharad10525.blogspot.com/2019/08/comparative-tables-on-revised-new-orop.html
COMMENTS
A GRAVE MISTAKE TAKEN PLACE IN THE ‘SLIDES-17 FOR HAV ‘Y’ & SLIDE-17 FOR SUBEDAR ‘Y’ SAME AMOUNTS????????////